Jesus said in John 10:10 "I am come that they may have life, and have it to their full" (NIV) In John 4:13, He says: "......whosoever drinks the water I give will never thirst." Indeed the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life."
(A) What would you include in a 'full' or abundant life?
(B) What do you think should be the role of the church in helping Christians like yourself realise or achieve what is considered this 'full' life?
||(A) Eternal life is not the same as abundant life but is salvation of the soul. Abundant life is not confined to salvation of soul. It is more than that. Life does not start only when we die but starts NOW. Abundant life is a fulfilled life.
How can Christian who has abundant life suffer too? There are two types of sufferings -
(B) Role of Church helps us to have a 'full' life via:
- General sufferings that everyone has to face, including Christians and Non-Christians.
There is wrong perception about abundant life devoid of suffering.
- God will provide the grace
- God's methods to further strengthen us and lead us to more abundant life.
- Eternal life and abundant life gives Happiness. It is a wrong focus. See John 17:3
- Eternal life is Knowing God.
- Suffering for the faith.
If we voluntarily walk into temptation then we suffer the consequences of our decision. See Proverbs 5:9.
Conclusion: Abundant life is more than just salvation of soul. It is the process of developing our Christian life - not devoid of suffering, in fact through suffering it leads us to a life of abundance.
- Cell group
- Mentoring the younger ones
- Encouraging one another including correcting each other in a loving manner.
- The role of church is to love one another
- To bring members through activities, greater intimacy with God e.g. encouraging someone to attend bible colleges giving the person financial help.
- Hebrews 10 talks about - to spur one another through things we do
- Leaders to play a dual role eventhough they are busy and time is the factor.
Jesus said, "My grace is sufficient for you..." 2 Corinthians 12:19
(A) How exactly does god's grace act in our troubled lives?
(B) How did it help Paul?
||(A) Mr. William Doraisamy shared that often times in our lives we only asked God for His grace when we are faced with difficulties and disappointments. He said this should not be so. Many Christians, he felt, fall away because of success in their lives i.e., they are bless with riches, studies and career and yet it is through this that drawn them away from God. On the other hand, there are people who did not allowed the 'good times' in their lives to draw them away from God - this is God's grace. It is God's grace that helps them to be humble in their lives and it is God's grace that they still keep to God. Mr. William concluded by saying that we need to tell ourselves that God's grace is meant not only when we suffer but when we are successful as well.
Personal sharing from Campers:
Suzzanna Suah: God's grace has strengthened and encouraged through Philippians 4:6& 7 and 23: " Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and petition with thanksgiving present your requests to God. And the peace of god which transcend all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." Phil 4:6&7.
"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit." Phil 4:23.
Steven Wee: "God's grace has helped me to overcome troubles - fall away from God because of work and social life but experience God's grace in bringing me back to God."
Susan Low: "God's grace in helping me to realise that what Christ has gone through for me is greater than what I am going through. Comparable to what Christ has gone through my problem is nothing. With that it gives me the strength to overcome my problems."
(B) Chee Choy started by sharing from 2 Corinthians 12;9 " My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me." Chee Choy believed that when Paul spoke this he spoke it from the bottom of his heart, from experience he went through.
Mr. William concluded by saying that Paul had tremendous revelation from God, it was so wonderful that he wanted to boast about his experience. But in order not to be conceited he was given a thorn (worries, anxiousness, fears) which he wanted God to remove. But God did not. In comparable to our own lives Mr. William said that sometimes our problem never seem to leave us, like Paul God did not remove it but instead gave us the strength to overcome it - "In my weaknesses God strength prevail."
Paul was able to bear the problem because of the grace God has given him.
Morning Manna, Fri 15-Jul-05
Morning Reflections with Mr Ung Kim Cheng, taken from Song of Songs 5:16
"He is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend."
||KC Ung says:
1. A Person's loveliness grows in valued appreciation with one's mental, spiritual, experiential, continual and comprehensive grasp of the Person through mutual closeness, communion and confiding with and in the Person. In this particular case, the onus to love is not on the Person concerned because He, it was, who loved us and He loves even the unlovely; but on us who have to learn to love the Altogether Lovely.
2. To be loved, to be a beloved, one must be prepared to love. To love is not to think of satisfying the needs of self; it is to be prepared to sacrifice his or her own needs for those of the beloved. The beloved in turn does not exploit this love for his/her advantage, but to bestow the same love, if not more, in exchange for the love received.
To be loved, beloved, is to love the beloved.
3. A Friend in need is a friend indeed. Two people need not be mutually committed to be beloved, but they can be loving friends to share the mutual tear in sorrow and in joy; to be faithful to each other when forsaken by others. Friendship is like a precious pearl today, when discovered, treasure and nuture it to mutual faithfulness and intimate confidence.
Con: When all relationships fail, God forbid that they should fail, remember there is One Who is altogether Lovely; He is your Beloved, He is your Friend - He forsakes not, He is the same, yesterday, today and forever.
Bible passages to consider
My meditation of him shall be sweet
My beloved is....the chiefest among ten thousand
1 Peter 2:6
A chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips.
God...hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name.
It pleased the Father that in Him should all fulness dwell.
1 Peter 1:8
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory.
Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, and be found in him, not having my own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith.
Morning Manna, Sat 16-Jul-05
Morning Reflections with Mr Ung Kim Cheng, taken from Song of Songs 2:15
“Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.”
||KC Ung says:
This trite remark has been directed at many: “Do not make mountains out of mole hills” or it is “no big deal”. Such statements can be selfish in nature, inconsiderate in thought and partisan in spirit depending on the context and circumstances it is uttered. It can subject the feelings of others that ours may ride supreme.
If so they can be the little foxes that can spoil the tender vines which have taken delicate hours to tend (cf Jude 15:4-5). Microorganisms that can spoil vast vegetable and floral gardens so painstakingly manicured to bloom and mature at the right season. Little maggots can rot the fruits in the orchard that have been carefully cultivated.
Yes, small callous remarks can hurt friendships; a few careless words can break relationships.
The beginnings of problems need to be addressed; the small little tongue has to be controlled before it kindles a small flame into a big fire; a casual word, an off-guard gesture, an unwitting wit etc – all can transform into foxes!
It is no different in our relationship with God. The enjoyment of a small forbidden fruit led to endless sufferings for Adam’s generations culminating in the death of God’s dear Son. It was just one covetous man that led a whole nation to defeat at Ai and it was only a tiny weenie lie that did not seem to hurt anybody but themselves that led to Ananias’ and Sapphira’s death.
Is there anything too small that it cannot be forgiven that the affected parties cannot talk over with, and cannot be surrendered to God to be dealt with?
No big deal? Only a mole hill? They are still small foxes. The Lord is waiting, and He says:
“and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it”
“Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?”